This morning a contractor who I work for has an 09 F350 with the 6.4 that now needs a new engine. It's his daily driver and does some towing and hauling but nothing serious. At lunch time I meet him back at the shop and see his truck running with a dead miss and a ton of crank case pressure both out of oil fill and dip stick. The truck is maintained to the tee and has been egr and dpf deleted for 2 years now, just running a 65hp tow tune. We tow it to ford and receive a phone call the the motor needs replaced. Just over 18 grand I believe the number was. Had 132,000 miles. He is going to run it until warranty is just about up, then selling it and going to gm from now on. I spoke to one of the techs and all he does is 6.4 engine replacements all day long. He said there is not really a way to "bullet proof the engine" and that there are a lot of shortcomings in the design of the engine in the valvetrain, fuel system, and other areas. So anybody have some actual luck with these things or what? I guess diesels don't have to be reliable anymore according to ford from 08-10?
Any 6.4's here with over 150,000 miles on original engine?
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Listen here you little f**k stick!!! You want to call me an idiot and we can go toe to toe. How bout actually putting some logic down rather then just spewing your pro 6.0 bull chit. You say you have been working on these since you were 13...ok....then how bout you explain some actual facts that make the 6.0 better, or even better yet the proof that the 6.7 is the "best" engine out there. Go ahead....Ill sit here and wait......
And the TRUCK wasn't chit....the f**k stick behind the wheel WAS!! I have YET to see a 6.4 that wasn't abused by its owner and the reason it had so many problems.
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Lol alright I'll apologize for the age comment. I always hated it when people would pull that chit on me.....I just laugh at your posts since they show you have a lot to learn, yet you throw it in anybody's face that challenges you because you have this unicorn million mile 6.0 and we should all heed your word as gospel.
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HA ok. First of all, the 6.0 doesn't have cam, crank, and valve train problems. EVERY SINGLE PROBLEM with the engine is related to emissions and fords demands for power. The original design of the engine is called the VT365 as well all know is the International medium duty truck. Go ask a mechanic on a school buss fleet how many head gaskets they do on their trucks and they will look at you funny. WE have to run our EGR much hotter and make more power than the VT365 spec engine. Million miles aint hard on the same pistons, crank, cam, and gaskets. It has studs as stated, not the original head bolts. Everybody cries that the 2003 is more problematic than the later models. IF you take care of anything you can make it last forever. Yeah ive been through a a$$ load of injectors, turbos, stand pipes and dummy plugs but that doesn't change the fact that my dad took care of it and i did all his work. I bought a 6.4 with 20k on it and the truck was a complete joke.
Right as i bought it i had my first problems about 4k after deleting it. I never ran hot tunes. I had a very back knocking sound and it got progressively worse over a thousand miles which ended up leading to a valve hitting my piston and cracking it almost taking the whole block with it, thank god it didn't. i changed oil every 3k and monitored it so carefully that i would almost get in accidents from looking at my monitor or laptop. It only pulled a 40ft toy hauler on the weekends. At 40k i starting having the first turbo failure which the small one had a bearing seize but nothing serious. Then at 55k the truck took itself. My number 4 piston had been damaged from a injector tip falling off and let excess fuel into the engine and melted the whole bore, piston, and walls completely destroying the engine. The truck sits as is in the back on my property.
My dad passed in 2012 with Leukemia and either left my mother to sell the truck or give it to me. Of course i had to take it because that's where i learned how to work on anything. I have all the service records to prove it and papers. The fact that you are accusing me of false accusations is really lame and low. THe private 6.0 page is way nicer to everybody than this forum, really sad. Looks like y'all have a lot to learn, not me. Duces.
Right as i bought it i had my first problems about 4k after deleting it. I never ran hot tunes. I had a very back knocking sound and it got progressively worse over a thousand miles which ended up leading to a valve hitting my piston and cracking it almost taking the whole block with it, thank god it didn't. i changed oil every 3k and monitored it so carefully that i would almost get in accidents from looking at my monitor or laptop. It only pulled a 40ft toy hauler on the weekends. At 40k i starting having the first turbo failure which the small one had a bearing seize but nothing serious. Then at 55k the truck took itself. My number 4 piston had been damaged from a injector tip falling off and let excess fuel into the engine and melted the whole bore, piston, and walls completely destroying the engine. The truck sits as is in the back on my property.
My dad passed in 2012 with Leukemia and either left my mother to sell the truck or give it to me. Of course i had to take it because that's where i learned how to work on anything. I have all the service records to prove it and papers. The fact that you are accusing me of false accusations is really lame and low. THe private 6.0 page is way nicer to everybody than this forum, really sad. Looks like y'all have a lot to learn, not me. Duces.
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I'm no expert.. but aren't there quite a few threads about common problems with valve bridges breaking or lifter issues?
and one of the best upgrades is to change out the cam if your that far in a 6.0... as well as the pushrods need to be changed to a different set.. so much so that you can't get the original ones from Ford anymore, they supersede to the longer part number..
again... .maybe I am wrong.. but I seem to remember reading a lot about that.. and beings that you opened up with that comment, I neglected to continue reading..
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:doh::doh::doh: Thank you so much.....I forget that after being a tech for years I still have so much to learn. Seriously....I'd say 80% of the 6.0 community knows that the Ford 6.0=Int'l VT365. And check your facts...the VT365 also has problems with head gaskets, mechanics won't look at you funny at all.
Yes there were complications that arose from having the EGR system put on later by Ford after their decision to use it in the light duty truck market instead of the medium duty it was originally designed for. Again, this isn't new exciting news. Million miles ain't hard, you're right....so why throw it in everybody's face that you're a million mile 6.0 owner so you must be right?
I am sorry for your loss and I'm glad you get to keep you and your dad's legacy going in your truck. I'm not sure of what "accusing me of false accusations" means but I'll let that one go at this point.
Edit: FWIW Mike, the updated pushrods are shorter, not longer.
Yes there were complications that arose from having the EGR system put on later by Ford after their decision to use it in the light duty truck market instead of the medium duty it was originally designed for. Again, this isn't new exciting news. Million miles ain't hard, you're right....so why throw it in everybody's face that you're a million mile 6.0 owner so you must be right?
I am sorry for your loss and I'm glad you get to keep you and your dad's legacy going in your truck. I'm not sure of what "accusing me of false accusations" means but I'll let that one go at this point.
Edit: FWIW Mike, the updated pushrods are shorter, not longer.
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well, hey, at least I knew there was something there... you know.. since there's no issues with the 6.0 valve train.. :doh:...
like I said.. i'm no expert.. although, 200k miles on TTY headbolts while sled pulling numerous times should make me an expert at something..
right.. :look:
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I will sit painterly and wait for the pic of the odometer.
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Darrel was a better fighter.. 
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but in any case..
We'll do it for Johnny!
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We'll do it for Johnny!
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I am sorry I have so much trouble taking your seriously when you directly quote Bill Derpitt straight from his videos. Thats 2 posts now that made me face palm...
That said, personally for someone who knows what they are doing but does not have access to a lift YES A 6.0 IS A BETTER INVESTMENT. However, they share MANY of the same design flaws. The cam is one of the primary causes of damaged and blown motors in BOTH platforms. You don't know a powerstroke if you think the camshaft isn't the start of many failures.
The valve train itself is identical aside from exhaust valves... The only difference is the 6.4 doesn't get the benefit of oil drain back from injectors.
The bottom end on both motors is damn near the same thing and if you have a failure... Well you are just an idiot or REALLY unlucky there.
The ONE major failure that the 6.4 does have over the 6.0 are piston failures. It is a WELL known fact that the pistons in a 6.4 are probably the single most frustrating thing about them. Aside from lifter failure any other failure on a powerstroke is a routine fix. Pistons require TOTAL tear down of the motor and in many cases take the block with them.
And I have talked to quite a few guys who work on the International side of things... They all say the same thing. The only difference between working on them and a powerstroke is they can actually get to failed parts in the truck without wanting to kick a small puppy. The 6.4 actually has far fewer failures and are actually very well liked due to the fact that they don't have HG problems nor do they have high pressure oil issues. The only real problems they actually see are worn rocker arms (MUCH LESS COMMON THAN ON A 6.4 PSD) and fuel system failures. But the fuel issues happen with any common rail diesel... If there was more effort put into the 6.4 and it was going to be a lasting venture we would see far fewer problems. It is just the fact that Ford and Intl were parting ways and Intl was FORCED to proved something from 08-10.
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I own a 6.4L that is pushing 200,000 miles.
I have owned the truck for just over 10,000 miles.
So, does that make me an expert by proxy?
I am 33 and wouldn't DARE disrespect anyone on this board, especially those repairing and USING these trucks everyday. And I am not talking about oil changes and daily drivers.
I grew up in a 7.3, rebuilt many, and drove my own until it was totaled when it rolled. Do I consider myself an expert? No. Will I ever be? No. One day if I have my way I will get to meet Toren, Nick, and a few others that I really look up to.
And as stated earlier, International Navistar came out with the 6.4L to cover all of the damage done by the early 6.0Ls and to combat emissions. Anyone who states that the 6.4 is a "lazy" engine obviously doesn't own one. And I respect that everyone will stand behind the truck/engine that suits them and that they have had the best/most experience with.
I have owned the truck for just over 10,000 miles.
So, does that make me an expert by proxy?
I am 33 and wouldn't DARE disrespect anyone on this board, especially those repairing and USING these trucks everyday. And I am not talking about oil changes and daily drivers.
I grew up in a 7.3, rebuilt many, and drove my own until it was totaled when it rolled. Do I consider myself an expert? No. Will I ever be? No. One day if I have my way I will get to meet Toren, Nick, and a few others that I really look up to.
And as stated earlier, International Navistar came out with the 6.4L to cover all of the damage done by the early 6.0Ls and to combat emissions. Anyone who states that the 6.4 is a "lazy" engine obviously doesn't own one. And I respect that everyone will stand behind the truck/engine that suits them and that they have had the best/most experience with.
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And let's not forget, he gets 30MPG towing 15k because "He knows how to drive it"
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Hmmm.....
So lets see here......
999,xxx milage truck that NO ONE has seen proof of besides him.....
30 MPG while towing because "he knows how to drive"
Self proclaimed 6.0 expert spouting off only info that can be found in Bill Hewitt vids and a QUICK google search
No respect for others and a name calling A-hole that gets offended when its done to him and retreats to his beloved other forum where he pretends to be God of 6.0's.....
WORTHLESS!!!!! Good riddance....think I should get a award for chasing him off:thumb: Just make sure its NOT a participation trophy....
So lets see here......
999,xxx milage truck that NO ONE has seen proof of besides him.....
30 MPG while towing because "he knows how to drive"
Self proclaimed 6.0 expert spouting off only info that can be found in Bill Hewitt vids and a QUICK google search
No respect for others and a name calling A-hole that gets offended when its done to him and retreats to his beloved other forum where he pretends to be God of 6.0's.....
WORTHLESS!!!!! Good riddance....think I should get a award for chasing him off:thumb: Just make sure its NOT a participation trophy....
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He's in math class... he will log on during his recess..
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Working on a 2008 f-450 with about 120,000 kms on it and #7 intake has very little lift. Customer is pissed off and I couldn't blame him. I would rather have a 6.0 any day over this pos 6.4. Every rocker arm on both banks are severely worn out. Injector failure for cyl #2. Unknown as of yet, but either intake tappet or camshaft or both worn out for #7 cyl. 6.4 is a throw away engine and the 6.0 should have stayed in with upgrades. Just my opinion. I know the 6.0 started off terrible, but it lasted longer than the 6.4!
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RIIIIIGGGHHHHTTTTT........
Because with 60k miles on an engine it has absolutely NOTHING to do with maintenance on that particular motor with all the rockers worn out, when there are PLENTY of these motors out there with over 100k miles on them with no issues. Must be a crap motor.....oh wait maybe its the crap owner with the key.....You really think your beloved 6.0 could stand up to the new emissions standards and re-gens????? The answer is NO!! It would be even worse. You clearly have NO idea what your talking about. The 6.4 lasted a long time in the IH trucks. The contract between IH and ford (a contract dating back to 1984 and ruined BY THE 6.0!!! lets not forget) was up in 2010 and they went their separate ways. The 6,4 continued in the IH class trucks and has a great track record the way it sits.
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