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Now I am confused (headgaskets?)

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#1 ·
I went camping over Memorial Day from the Springs to Mesa Verde. Pretty good climbs over La Veta Pass (6%) and Wolf Creek Pass (7-8%) towing a 12k 5th wheel. I was puking coolant and getting hot, but I took it slow and made it to Mesa Verde. I had lost about 2 quarts of coolant (I have the new sticker on the bottle and even keep it a 1/4 inch or so below the revised line).

One the way home via the same passes, I had some more high temp pulls up the passes and I am sure it puked a little bit. Then on I-25 coming north out of Pueblo temps in the mid 80s, I was going up another another long but less steep grade. It was hot and I was running 70 MPH or so. My ECT was running up to 220 and the fan would come on, and things would settle back down. However, on one long grade, the ECT kept rising and rising and eventually hit almost 240 when I crested the hill and coasted down the other side. Things cooled off pretty quick and I continued at a slower speed. Coolant pressure was definitely on the too high side (16+ psi). By time I got home I had lost about 2 quarts of coolant.

Now I am thinking that what I had previously assumed was bad head gaskets (I had a mild puking incident in going to Moab last year) had gotten worse and the exhaust in the coolant was making the engine's cooling performance suffer hence the higher ECTs. However, today I used a BlokChek kit (the one where you pull gasses from the coolant bottle through a tester and see if the blue fluid turns yellow or green), and low and behold there was NO color change.

What gives? Is is that the gaskets are just not leaking until they are under a heavy load? Even when I drive unloaded, the coolant pressure eventually creeps up to 15 psi or more. The cooling system is always under pressure, even when stone cold (about 4 psi or so), so I assume that the residual pressure is from the gases that entered the system through the head gaskets. When I start driving with a cold engine and really hammer on it the pressure gauge does not jump up really fast like I have seen on youtube. The pressure only builds fairly slowly and once the coolant is hot is when the pressure will be up around 15 psi or more.

I have a recent oil cooler rebuild (delta runs 4 to 6 even when towing) and a BPD EGR cooler (as well as SCT tuner running tow tune - EGR valve should be shut off). 2005 CCLB 4x4, approx 114k miles.

I am almost certain it is head gaskets, but this BlokChek test has me confused. Opinions?
 
#2 ·
What was the eot? Bad water pump maybe?

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#3 ·
The EOT was a few degrees above the ECT, except when the ECT spiked. The ECT went from 220 - 240 in a matter of a minute or so, but the ECT stayed at about 225 (of course I was watching the ECT most closely...)

Today I pulled the hose from the intake manifold to the degas bottle and started the engine. There is a nice steady stream coming out, so that should mean the water pump is pumping (from what I have seen on the forum...)

MikeB
 
#4 ·
Maybe your fan is screwed up or not working right because of the egr delete. There are some post on this now, I'm not tooo familiar with that.

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#6 ·
I don't have an EGR delete. I have a BPD EGD and the valve is still in place and connected. However the SCT tune has the EGR valve turned off. Shouldn't be the same issue as having an unplugged EGR valve, right?

MikeB
 
#7 ·
That's correct, Mike. BTW, if you hadn't been using coolant, I wouldn't think you had a problem.
 
#9 ·
Eric,

Absolutely, the truck is puking out of the degas bottle and yes there was residue all over the battery, hood, master cylinder, etc... as well as the degas bottle (before i hosed it off.)

My confusion is that I did not get a positive reading from the BlokChek kit and I was thinking that maybe it was a simple case of overheating rather than headgaskets.... I think that is wishful thinking tho...

MikeB
 
#10 ·
Sounds like you aren't "using" coolant as much as you are puking coolant. Have you confirmed that your hose that connects the EGR cooler to the degas bottle isn't clogged with debris? That can cause puking like you describe.
 
#12 ·
Shawn,
I pulled the EGR to degas hose and there was a steady flow of coolant.

Eric,
I have not lost any coolant except for my two trips pulling the 5th wheel and when that happens it is puking the coolant out. The system gets pressurized when operating and once cooled off remains under a few psi, so I would think the likelihood of a leak is pretty much zero. I did pressure test is last year and it held 15 psi all day.

Thanks for the replies,

MikeB
 
#13 ·
You need to monitor the coolant pressure while the engine is under load. Build yourself one of these and I'll bet it will indicate a blown HG.
Cooling system tester
 
#14 ·
The OP already knows the coolant pressure.

My truck is showing very similar symptoms. I buoght it last summer with 206K on it and started fixing little things...FICM repair, stand pipes dummy plugs, IPR, alternator. I did the thermostat in February and had some puking afterwards. My temps went to 225 at idle in -13F weather and run down the road at 160F. After I did the tstat, I of course overfilled the degas and had some puking. It settled down to a little under the min line and everything seemed OK. Bought a new cap, hoping the cap needed to be upgraded. I pressure tested the coolant system while driving and just like yours, mine would slowly get up to 14-15 after 2-3 WFO pulls to 90. I would see 4-6PSI in the morning as well as a fair amount of white smoke intermittently til it warmed up. I deleted the EGR and have not had any smoke since then. I still have to check the coolant pressure since the delete, but after seeing a white line down the degas bottle yesterday, I'm gathering my pennies for a gasket job. I just don't see anything else it could be. ECT is 190-200, delta is 6.

I'll get a better indication next week as I have to get my travel trailer out of storage and will run down the highway for an hour or so to see what it does on the PSI gauge.
 
#15 ·
Term3 - as Jimmy indicated I have a coolant pressure gauge to the degas bottle. I'm just confused that the two common ways of confirming bad head gaskets are to do the pressure test or else the BlokChek test kit. My pressure shows symptoms of bad head gaskets (puking and high pressure), while the BlokChek kit shows no combustion gases present...

Jimmy - I have been following your challenges for a while... hopefully you run out of problems before money! Thanks for your thoughts and update. I have a BPD EGR delete and turned off EGR valave via SCT tuner. Hopefully this is all still holding up. Maybe I should double check the EGR cooler and not assume it is good. I guess I should do the nose down overnight test or is there a better way to diagnose?

MikeB
 
#17 ·
Yea the typical "block test" for gasoline vehicles doesnt seem to work on the diesel engines. I think it has to do with the presence of HC's in the gas cars, not so much in the diesel...?

I have seen 6.0L's with the bottle swelled up from over-pressurizing and pass a block test...
 
#21 ·
Head gaskets are bad. I had the same thing. Ford had to take the heads off to be sure on mine. There were no gases in the coolant tank. I know Ford was telling the truth too cuz it was warranty work. They also let me buy the arp studs and they put them in at no charge since they already had to pay for new HG anyway. So piece of advice if you put new HG then make sure you use OEM Ford HG and it would be smart to go ahead and stud it too.

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#23 ·
Interesting


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#24 ·
Schatz,

I got my truck back the week I was evacuated from my neighbohood for the Waldo Canyon fire in Colorado Springs. I had it in for head gaskets, ARP studs an dummy plugs/standpipes. I just did not have the time to get this all done in my driveway, so I had it done. I also had the heads completely worked over - new guides, seals, valves, hardened seats, and milled.

Since I was out of the house and I had the truck back, I did the best I could with my time, I went on a camping trip! actually we were already planning the trip, but it is a bummer to go on a camping trip when half your gear is in your house that you cannot get to...

We went to the Black Hills. Had some long hot pulls up some medium grades in SE Wyoming and SW S.Dakota. My temperature was running hot, but not as hot as it was coming back from Mesa Verde last month. The ambient was approaching 100F, and I was pulling about 12k. A couple of times I had to drop things back to 45 mph or so to keep the temps in check, but other than that no problems. I did see my coolant pressure up in the 15- 16 psi range, but no puking. Also I was not sure if all the air was worked out of the system and I have been adjusting the coolant level. One thing I did notice is that there is essentially no residual pressure in the degas tank when cold.

Hopefully this is the end of the problems for me, we shall see....

MikeB
 
#27 ·
Thanks Mike,

Sorry to hear about your evac..hope everything is ok back home

Appreciate the info... I definitely want to go in and do the studs etc, but was hoping to save up and do them next spring... don't really have the cash to do them right now if I don't absolutely have to. Helps to know that the pressure can still be up around 16psi. As long as I'm not losing huge amounts of coolant I think i'm going to try and hold it off until the spring....

quick question - do you have the egr delete?
 
#25 ·
Well I'm going to jump on as well. Sounds just like the problem I'm having. Just got back from a 4th of July trip to se Colo. If I keep the egt around 1000 then I'm usually ok but when I decide to push it then my temps go from 204 up to 209 very quick and it starts puking.
Is there a way to override the fan and force it on sooner? It doesn't seem to really do anything when I'm pushing it hard. On average driving I can see it working. This is just so annoying when we want our trucks to work for us. Are headstuds still around $2000 to have it done?

Lkm
 
#28 ·
Schatz, I did the BPD EGR cooler and run an SCT tuner that turns off the EGR function.

MikeB