If its a money thing for personal use, I don't think getting a newer 6.7 would save you anything. Maybe on the F-150. I've spent a lot on my truck to personalize it, and any other truck I got I'd get the same things: radio and air bags for towing. I can't speak to the 6.7, but 100k miles would make me think there's stuff I'd think would break.

I think I'll keep my 6.0 until I no longer drive off the paved roads. I'd never take a newer truck on a trail where the branches are scraping against it.

 

Honestly Red I think your best option would be do nothing truck wise. Keep that money in your bank and buy the house instead when you can swing it. I think doing it on a 15 year note is the only way to go today. Interest is still so low and it’s not gonna be this low again in my lifetime I bet.
I bought my house in 1991 with 9.25% interest. Yea it historically has been 7-10% but I did the 15 years and that payment goes away. That way when your kids are teenagers they drain you more then you can imagine. And if you marry a nice gal trust me she’s gonna make puppies.

Okay this went far right. But I say hell with the truck for now.

 

Listen to mhatlen. Only do the 15 year mortgage with a fixed interest rate. I can't tell you how many times I've wished I would have done that on my first couple of houses. I finally got smart on the most recent one.

 

Not worried about the house yet as it's a complicated issue with my job and not having a lady friend, basically I'm 20 years old making $43.92/hr with the only bill being my truck, phone and food. My monthly bills come out to roughly $650/mo. While I'm this lucky I want to make sure I have a solid vehicle for if I ever find another lady friend and for when I get a house so that hopefully vehicle bills will be low when the house expense comes into play. For now I have $10k I can comfortably throw at a vehicle, be it on top of the value of my truck for a newer 6.7 or a new F-150, or dump into my truck.

 

I had 2 houses. Have one now. I have/had 15 year notes on both. Im 36. I’ll have my house payed off before I’m 40. It costs more but do the 15 year note. Vehicle is no where near as important as a roof and 4 walls.

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Also, take a moment when looking up a loan and do an amortization. The 30 or 40 year will make you throw up.


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Damn Red your making Scrillas for any age fella. Oh man I’m a dumb pipe fitter and a Union Local 669 one and you got me by a few dollars. 20 years old and Porsche 911 wages dumped into your pocket and you are asking about what truck to buy.

Okay option 2 sell that lumpy truck and go with the 911 then. The girls are gonna be way hotter if your tooling around in a Porsche and tear it up before you get old like me.

Then after you cool your jets and had your fill revert back to plan A I stated above. Damn right dump that truck but you can’t leave the forum I want pictures.

 

Not sure what I did but I got something right! Being in the union definitely jumps the wages, I'm a carpenter out of the local 30.

Been dealing with gold diggers for a bit lol, and I don't think I can fit into a Porsche 911.

I'm learning that I don't care what makes others happy because when the money stops flowing they leave. I just want a solid truck before I decide where I want to live and how much debt I want to get in. I'd like to stay in Washington but I have a feeling we're headed down the road California did and it's so expensive out here, my favorite place I've been so far is Myrtle beach so I've been thinking about moving out there. But you know... Hurricanes....

Anyway, say the house is already done and over, all I need to figure out is would a used higher mile 6.7 be a better platform than a bulletproofed 6.0? I'm leaning towards the 6.0 because in 10 years the 6.0 won't depreciate as much as the 6.7 will.

I guess another option would be to keep the truck as is and just hope it doesn't blow up but have the cash stored for if it does and get a little rat car to daily around.

 

I guess another option would be to keep the truck as is and just hope it doesn't blow up but have the cash stored for if it does and get a little rat car to daily around.

I'd lean in that direction, but wouldn't buy a rat car. Get something nice that you actually enjoy driving and looking at. Think modern Mustang, Camaro, Infinity, Charger, Jeep Wrangler, whatever floats your boat. Car values drop a lot faster than trucks, and with the lower original MSRP, you can score a nice ride.

 

6.7 over 6.0 all day long. Way more reliable, quieter, more powerful, start when it's cold, don't need a host of aftermarket updates just to make it out of the driveway etc

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If it is a True "bulletproofed" 6.0 vs a 100% stock 6.7 then I would say the 6.0 is more reliable, but if it is a tuned and deleted 6.7, I think the 6.7 would be better.

 

What's so unreliable about a stock 6.7? I'm asking about trucks you have had/worked on/know the owners of etc not internet hearsay

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The 2015 and up 6.7's have a better reliability record than the pre 2015 ones (and not just because they are newer). The 2011's and 2012's probably had the most issues.
Best not to lump them all together.

I would love to have a low mileage 2016-2018 6.7L. That said, I have no concerns over the reliability of my 2006 6.0L (except that I need tie-rod work and the cab bumpers are shot).

Bottom line - when buying a used truck of any make or model, you are taking a risk ............

 

2015 and later will be more reliable.

As far as the mortgage thing, you can do a 30yr for the qualification but put additional money towards the principal as it becomes affordable to do so. It's how we did it, and paid off in 17 years. It also gives you an out when unexpected costs come up you have the relief of only paying the normal 30yr monthly requirement.

You can't get dinged for the entire interest like you can with a car or other loan. But you have to watch how the mortgage company credits the money. Towards the end when I paid 2x the normal monthly they credited it as though it was for two months, so I quickly had to get them to put the "second payment" against the principal.

 

If it were between a 2011-2012 6.7 and a bulletproof 6.0 which would be the best option? The 2013+ currently are about $5k out of the price range unless I find one over 200k or if I decide an extended cab shortbed is good enough / I am able to daily drive a CCLB which neither are possibilities for me.

 

2012 6.7 no doubt, try and rule out 2011 just b/c of the valve issues, and being the first year of a all new powertrain, although Ford addressed this instead of brushing it off

They are old enough now that you should be able to find an affordable, nice, one owner, owned by a retired old guy, just used in the summer for towing the camper on vacation, dealer maintained lariat or king ranch, crew cab truck.

You can find lariat ex cab 6.7s too, more so in the earlier years.

 

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I would have to agree. 6.7 all day everyday b4 you touch a 6.0. Light years ahead and extremely reliable. Motor is ironed out post 2015 and it’s even better now. Ford has really done a phenomenal job with the 6.7.

On a note though, people who use them as groceries carts generally have a shorter life span on dpf def system though. This is just what I’ve observed.




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When I see a post talking about their reliability, but yet in the same sentence it is said, "I work on them regularly", it gets my curiosity up, lol. I think I know what was meant, but it isn't the most "well worded" sales pitch.

Red Ford -

Again - remember that when buying a used vehicle, it just might have been abused and it might be that the owner is selling it because of issues. If a make or model of truck has some issues (and the 2011 and 2012 trucks had some issues that are mentioned above), then buying a used one raises the chances of seeing the problems. It still could be a low probability, but it needs to be in the back of your mind.

My issue is how Ford treats the owners that have fuel pump problems. It is probably because of abuse or neglect for the most part, but if you are buying a used one, that just might be something you will inherit. Ford did change the HPFP design for 2015, so they must have had some reason for it.

Keep your eyes open.

 

I work on them regularly equals everything from regular maintenance to performance parts. I'm a powerstoke guy-thats what I work on. Wasn't a sales pitch , was just trying to adjust some disallusioned ppl...

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I already have the 6.0, drove it about 40k miles in a year and a half with no major issues. Just crested 190k and the engine is still stock minus the blue spring mod. Between depreciation of the 6.0 vs the 6.7 and I know what I already have but don't know what I'll get with the used 6.7, I'll probably stick with the 6.0 and address the issues as they come up.

I do not use my truck for actual work, for my day to day usage I would be fine driving in a Smart car.

Maybe next year I'll look into buying a new 6.7 but I'd have a hard time doing that when as mentioned, I don't own a house yet. Not to mention when I go to truck meets, you never hear anyone saying "oh yeah, you're the guy with the stock 6.7", you hear "oh yeah, you're the guy with the bullet proof 6.0 with blah blah blah". I don't think anyone knows each others names, just the trucks lol.

Also as mentioned with a newer vehicle, it's hard to actually use it. My truck is 12 years old with scratches so as much as I don't like it, it's not a big deal to get a rock chip or a door ding. On a new(er) vehicle, that's a huge deal.

 

Here is one Ford Tech's perspective on a 2011 issue

Rickatic was an active 6.0L member. No reason not to believe his story on the HPFP. It does happen IMO.

https://www.powerstrokenation.com/f...7-11-16-6-7l-power-stroke-technical-info/115508-no-warranty-your-6-7s-hpfp.html

 

I have had both. 6.0 was way more fun to drive. 6.7 has modern tech on its side. It's a toss up. Budget dictates.

My trucks are meticously maintained.

 

Keep what you have now and buy a house, unless you're in the Seattle area. Real estate there is so over priced right now. Don't wait for a girl.
You make great money right now, but working for a paycheck won't make you wealthy. Would you rather work for a wage, or work for profit? If you do it right, the house will make you profit.
You're still a pup, so I'm sure you're still in the big flashy truck is a must stage, but a nice house that's building long term wealth is WAY better. Just my humble opinion.
Best of luck.

What part of Washington are you in?

 

I'm on Camano Island, about an hour or 4 hours North of Seattle, depends on the time of day lol.

The issue with the house is that my job requires me to travel. Over half this year I haven't been home which is a long time for my house to be empty which is where I'd either have to have a lady friend, or have a live in family member, or buy a house with a mother in law property, rent the main house out and live in the mother in law but from the sounds of the renting horror stories I've heard, I don't really have time for that.

The big flashy truck has always been a must have for me, when I was 18 I thought I'd be mature and buy a little Fusion which was nice but then I injured my leg and I couldn't drive it for more than 30 minutes because my knee needed to be at a 90* angle which is why I traded it in, lost $4k and bought this current truck. Now I'm back to where I don't need a truck, however due to some life events my counselor told me I need to have something in my life I'm proud of and well, all I have now is the truck as everything else had to go.

 

Oh yea you will fit into a 911 like socks on a Rooster. The Germans are not little people and if your not over 6-4” you will have headroom to spare. I’m 6-3 and I got room with a baseball hat on. Now it’s my neighbors Porsche and not mine but those cars have plenty of room.

They run the seats back damn near to the rear seats which I have no clue why there is back seats I suppose for groceries. But when you pour on the throttle in a 911 boost has another dimension and oozing with cool factor all day long. But a 20 year old in a 911 May be a $400-$500 a month insurance premium in itself. I was shopping for one myself and when I called for a insurance quote I was informed my 17 year old also had to be on the policy for it. That was the end of that, asked God why I wasn’t born sterile and proceeded to plan B which of coarse was a F250 with a crap engine instead.

Last tidbit of the day for ya Red: getting a vasectomy at your age and not telling a sole will guarantee early retirement and controlling your own destiny. Now if your future wife finds out that’s why she’s not getting her puppies your done for. A risk you have to decide on.
LMAO I can’t endorse this way of thinking nor would I ever stoop so low. But I can’t swear to it.

Just drive the truck, fix it up with some mods that catch your eye as time goes by. There’s no investment better then a home and sooner you take that on the better it’s going to be for you. They are only going to get more expensive with time and money is at historically low costs to borrow. So all my funnin aside I’m sticking with post 1 of mine. You have time your young still, but when your capable you really need to take that step.

 

After rereading you first post more carefully, I say put 10K in your current truck and watch it run circles around the new 6.7s, there is nothing like having an older vehicle that will outperform a new one that costs 2-3 times as much. As far as making it look like a 6.7, it's a matter of opinion but I think the 05-07 trucks are the best looking Super Dutys Ford has built so far, I would leave it like it is.

 

Run circles around the newer ones???? I would welcome any six oh to come and have a go with mine!!

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I’m going to say something you surely already know but maybe it needs to be from more people then your own folks. It’s fine to be all over the place like cat shlt to earn a big wage when your young. But let me tell you it’s a very hard life when you find someone that dominates everything else. Then you throw in looking at your kids as you leave again for another extended run and it’s enough to ruin anyone. More often then not alcohol becomes the companion to fill that separation or another vice that only unravels everything you hold closest to your heart.
You will need to work on a profession or a trade that is not going to have you in some unformideable part of the country at any lengths of time. We can’t tell you what to do but I know how that ends up almost every time. You have time to sew your Oates but I’m not seeing the current career as a long term choice that will serve you as time goes by.

Alright I’m bowing out here before I get in trouble.

 

There is carpentry work every (especially in Seattle), as a carpenter I don't foresee at any point there will be a shortage of work for me especially since they group so many people in under the title of "carpenter". The concrete guys building bridges are carpenters, roofers are carpenters, some welders are carpenters, etc. As long as I learn other aspects of the trade, I'll always be buisy. I was just lucky enough to find a traveling job right out of the gate. Will it last? I honestly don't know how it is still lasting as I'd think you could find carpenters in every part of the country and it'd be cheaper than flying me out, booking me in a hotel, and paying for my food. So long as they're willing to do that I'll keep traveling for now.

There is local work everywhere here, oddly enough I just started a 3-5 month remodel 45 mins from home and there should be another one coming up in early 2019 so I'll be home for a little bit. Once I get tired of traveling I just have to go to one of the many contractors out here and submit my resume. Plus being in the union is nice because I put my name on a out of work list and when someone needs labor they go to that board and give us a call.

My dad lived the life you just described, he used to travel all the time then my brother and I came along and within a year he quit to work local. He ended up starting his own company that didn't make it thanks to the economic downfall, and now that we're both grown he's back to traveling.

I'm not saying I'm holier than thow but alcohol and drugs probably won't have a place in my life. I watched my uncles life get destroyed by alcohol, I see my grandpas constant ups and downs due to alcohol, and I watch my ex die after ODing on heroin. There was actually a big segment on the radio about people and their vices and how "everyone has a vice" but the more I think about it, I don't have one or at least a traditional one. Before I was fueled by money, I would do anything and everything for money which is why I put an ad out on Craigslist and started working at 13/14. Now money has become more of a curse as that's all people see me for. I'm just the guy everyone wants to be buddy buddy with in hopes that I'll give them a hand out and I hate that. Guns unfortunately are no more in my life, my diet consists of rabbit food with a little chicken, and it's the same routine every day but the difference is I'm no longer motivated to go to work where before I'd bust my azz for $10/hr. Now that I make 4x that going to work is a job.

I guess my only vice really is the truck and making it how I want. I used to just go on random drives but now with my current love life that's hard because the fun part of driving was having the windows down singing to the radio but with every song being a love song it just starts the day off depressing. Working on the truck or anything broken in general is the only thing that I truely enjoy anymore because I like to figure out how things work which will be good for when I do end up getting a house.

Anyway, that was a big derailment from 6.0 vs 6.7 lol. After watching quite a few Youtube videos of mechanics takes on these trucks as well as other peoples thoughts and opinions, it seems like the general consus is either 6.0 or 6.7 Cummins. The 6.7 people are saying is a nightmare to work on which makes it expensive to add to the already expensive parts. Not to mention the 6.0 platform is 14 years old so we know every short coming and solution but the 6.7 is still throwing curveballs just because it's a new platform. I like the look of the Ram, but I like the sound of a 6.0 better and I have a better understanding on the 6.0. Enough to where I don't mind throwing a wrench at it sometimes anyway.

 

I have had 2 6.7s and a 6.0. I am a gearhead and like the 6.0 better. I get to tinker with it, tune it, and upgrade it. I also enjoy driving it better than the 6.7. It’s fun and doesn’t have the dpf crap on it. Now there is no comparison in towing. The 6.7 hands down. But it’s not a race for me. My wish is that someday the new diesels are able to go back to just running a cat.

 

Don't get me wrong, a nice truck is a must for me too. I didn't mean get rid of it. I was just thinking about later in life when function trumps form, instead of form over function. And I remember the truck sluts too 😉 I had a Toyota with a small block, 12in lift and 40in boggers. Then I switched over to a short bed Chevy with all the same stuff.

I've had a couple horrible renters so I understand that too, but you can mitigate that with a good property managment company. The only problem is they charge.

I grew up in Omak, north central Washington, living in southern commiefornia now. So I know about Washington being like Cali. It turned into a welfare state long ago.

I digress, this is way off the subject of your original question. Just trying to offer some friendly, hard knock learned, advice.

 

Somewhat off target but I’d wholeheartedly recommend against a move to california. Washington and oregon are so much more affordable that there is a pretty good exodus from california of folks moving your way. Home prices are outrageous, traffic is terrible, 10% sales tax (almost), state tax, property tax, roads are poorly maintained, highest gas tax in the nation, ect, ect. Recently they announced if you make less than $117k a year and live in san francisco, you are considered at poverty level and qualify for low income programs for food and housing. True, the weather is pretty good but I’d be gone in a minute if family didnt live here.

 

Seattle area is just as bad as commiefornia for taxes, traffic, etc. The gas tax in Washington was the same as Cali until moonbeam added the 12cents last year.

 

I am at the same crossroads with my truck right now. For some reason, last week I had 3 people ask about buying my truck. I got offered $16,000. It got me thinking and looking, I can get into a 2012 6.7 with lesser miles than mine (140k currently) with the same specs, LBCC for a good price. Don't get me wrong, love my truck. I have done a ton of mods/upgrades to make it it reliable and personalize it. But maybe it is just me getting older, but I would like a quieter/more comfterable ride. It rides, well a little rough and I am getting weary of the whistle. Of coarse the best thing about the truck is that it is paid off.... I can either fix up what I got and soften the ride and change up turbos or get into another payment on something newer.